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bug #18747: poor rendering of full-hinted U+0431 in Teimes and DejaVu Serif

Submitted by:  Alexei <apodtele>
Submitted on:  Wed Jan 10 17:05:15 2007  
Severity: 3 - NormalItem Group: Incorrect behaviour
Status: FixedPrivacy: Public
Assigned to: David Turner <freetype>Open/Closed: Closed
Planned Release: None

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Tue Nov 1 03:24:21 2016, comment #11:

I cannot reproduce this problem anymore, closing...

Alexei Podtelezhnikov <podtelez>
Project Member
Mon Apr 9 20:17:01 2007, comment #10:

I agree, it's strange. As usual, please provide ugly
examples on the freetype-devel list...

Werner LEMBERG <wl>
Project Administrator
Thu Mar 29 16:10:05 2007, comment #9:

That's right. The dots are symmetrical with respect to the bottom stem in Ydieresis, whereas they are symmetrical with respect to the upper serifs in Upsilondieresis. Ydieresis conforms to the font spirit.

Regardless of this, isn't it strange that dots ruin aliasing on the opposite side of the glyph at size 15?

Alexei <apodtele>
Wed Mar 28 23:08:09 2007, comment #8:

The glyphs are indeed different. In Ydieresis, the dieresis dots
are positioned a bit more to the left than in Upsilondieresis.

Werner LEMBERG <wl>
Project Administrator
Tue Mar 27 22:50:49 2007, comment #7:

Just to refresh this bug...

Same font, DejaVu Serif 2.15 at size 15, but why Upsilondieresis is differnt from Ydieresis??? I would expect the same rendering for the same shape. Or is it not the same?

Look at the first glyphs like this:

ftview -f 314 15 DejaVuLGCSerif.ttf
ftview -f 759 15 DejaVuLGCSerif.ttf

Alexei <apodtele>
Tue Feb 20 04:04:52 2007, comment #6:

Could this be due to some subtle arch/os differences?

(file #12015, file #12016)

Alexei <apodtele>
Tue Feb 20 00:24:10 2007, comment #5:

Interesting. Using times.ttf version 3.00 and
DejaVuSerif.ttf 2.11, it looks fine for me.

Please provide snapshots.

Werner LEMBERG <wl>
Project Administrator
Mon Feb 19 15:23:51 2007, comment #4:

I beg to differ. This is on Fedora Core 6 i386. Please reopen the bug. Please describe how you can't repeat that.

This is how to see it with DejaVu Serif 2.15 or 2.11:
1) ftview -f 877 15 DejaVuLGCSerif.ttf
2) look at the second glyph "б", and compare to "о"
3) turning hinting off by pressing [H] removes the glitch

This is how to see it with Times New Roman 3.06 from euupdate:
1) ftview -f 602 17 Times.ttf
2) look at the second glyph "б", and compare to "о"
3) turning hinting off by pressing [H] removes the glitch

Note ppems! They're important!

Alexei <apodtele>
Mon Feb 19 09:15:09 2007, comment #3:

I can't repeat this. According to the start of this
bug report, you are talking about `full hinting', and
IMHO it looks good with both DejaVu Serif and Times New

Werner LEMBERG <wl>
Project Administrator
Sun Feb 18 03:17:51 2007, comment #2:

Unfortunately no. "б" still looks bad at 13-15 points with some serif fonts, such as Deja Vu Serif and Times New Roman.

Alexei <apodtele>
Fri Feb 16 08:30:22 2007, comment #1:

This seems to be fixed with the current CVS.
Please test!

Werner LEMBERG <wl>
Project Administrator
Wed Jan 10 17:05:15 2007, original submission:

Using 10-Jan-07 CVS snapshot, U+0431 looks two times too bold on the left side in DejaVu Serif with full hinting at 15 ppem. It looks good without full hinting. See second glyth in the attached snapshot. This is painfully obvious at 15 ppem and to a lesser extent at other sizes. This is also visible with Times New Roman at around 15 ppem. This is the only glyth with this problem. Six "6" is similar in spirit but looks good.

Alexei <apodtele>


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Attach File(s):

Attached Files
file #12015:  dejavu.png added by apodtele (11kB - image/png - look at the second "б" and compare with "о")
file #12016:  times.png added by apodtele (12kB - image/png - look at the second "б" and compare with "о")
file #11720:  uni0431.png added by apodtele (9kB - image/png - snapshot)


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    Date Changed By Updated Field Previous Value => Replaced By
    Tue Nov 1 03:24:21 2016podtelezStatusPostponed=>Fixed
    Tue Feb 20 04:04:52 2007apodteleAttached File-=>Added dejavu.png, #12015
      Attached File-=>Added times.png, #12016
    Tue Feb 20 00:24:10 2007wlStatusFixed=>Postponed
      Planned Release2.3.2=>None
    Mon Feb 19 09:15:09 2007wlStatusPostponed=>Fixed
    Fri Feb 16 08:30:22 2007wlOpen/ClosedOpen=>Closed
      Planned ReleaseNone=>2.3.2
    Fri Jan 19 06:27:38 2007wlStatusConfirmed=>Postponed
    Fri Jan 19 06:27:09 2007wlItem GroupNone=>Incorrect behaviour
      Assigned toNone=>freetype
    Wed Jan 10 17:05:16 2007apodteleAttached File-=>Added uni0431.png, #11720

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