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bug #23890: translated_full_mode-0.2.2 [vs 080831-1] - usability bug

Submitter:  Boud Roukema <boud>
Submitted:  Sat 19 Jul 2008 10:44:55 PM UTC
Category:  None Severity:  3 - Normal
Status:  Need Info Privacy:  Public
Assigned to:  None Open/Closed:  Open
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Mon 30 Mar 2009 12:22:15 PM UTC, comment #5: 

As promised, this issue has been addressed in CVS commit at 2009-03-30 11:35 in the following manner. Translations have been demoted to message parts with their own RDF property s:isTranslationOf which is a sub-property of dct:isPartOf. Translations and translated messages are displayed in a manner that makes the distinction explicit: original message's info line includes separately original language and list of translations, translation's info line includes link to the original message.

I believe that this approach provides the best balance between usability and simplicity. Please confirm if this solution is acceptable, or give comments on how it can be improved further.

Dmitry Borodaenko <angdraug>
Group administrator
Wed 22 Oct 2008 09:22:22 PM UTC, comment #4: 

The proposed solution contradicts the current design of translations. See my comment to the similar bug #24256 for a more detailed explanation.

Dmitry Borodaenko <angdraug>
Group administrator
Sun 14 Sep 2008 10:50:27 PM UTC, comment #3: 

version 0.2.2 corrects an error in the patch file (accidentally left in an extra copy of a section)

(file #16486)

Boud Roukema <boud>
Group Member
Sun 07 Sep 2008 03:51:18 PM UTC, comment #2: 

Version 0.2.1 also fixes the rss method for messages.

(file #16445)

Boud Roukema <boud>
Group Member
Sun 07 Sep 2008 03:29:35 PM UTC, comment #1: 

Version 0.2: Includes another correction to get back to the original problem from a loooooong time ago: if someone clicks on an (e.g.) English title and then sees an article in Polish, there's a fair chance that s/he will be frightened and say to him/herself "i can't read this, unfortunately", without noticing the small link "en".   Version 0.1 did this correctly for the centre column, but not for the updates column of the frontpage. This version also modifies list_item in resource.rb so that the reader correctly goes to the translation as s/he expects to.

(file #16444)

Boud Roukema <boud>
Group Member
Sat 19 Jul 2008 10:44:55 PM UTC, original submission:  

PROBLEM: The separate-translations issues as of 080703 seem to be resolved,
though with the loss some functionality: that of a user seeing
the "full" version of the article automatically in his/her
preferred language.

So while we do have some new functionality, the original usability bug (back
in March 2007! https://savannah.nongnu.org/patch/?5882#comment0) remains.

Users seeing a title in their own language and clicking are
surprised/unhappy/upset when the result is an article in the original
language, and that language is one they are uncomfortable with. In other
words, the "full" version problem remains.

Moreover, now that we have comments disabled under non-original
translations of an article, last year's proposed solution of sending
the user directly to the non-original translation would lead to a
situation where many users will read articles where it looks like
they cannot add replies, unless they read carefully enough and decide
to click on "parent message".

So if we direct someone clicking on a translated title to the translation,
then IMHO we should also help that person make a comment if s/he wishes
to. So the solution i propose is as follows.

(1) Send the user directly to the translation: this is quite easy now,
in message_helper.rb:

-      title = %{<div class="title">#{resource_href(message.id, title)}</div>\n}
+      title = %{<div class="title">#{resource_href(translation.id, title)}</div>

(2) Add a 'Reply to original message' button in
    message_helper.rb/message_buttons. [This could be 'Reply to parent
    message', but this refers to a logical/mathematical notion of a
    tree structure rather than a more common notion of "original +

PATCH: attached.

Boud Roukema <boud>
Group Member


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    Date Changed by Updated Field Previous Value => Replaced by
    2009-04-16 angdraug StatusWorks For Me Need Info
    2009-03-30 angdraug StatusWont Fix Works For Me
    2008-10-22 angdraug StatusWorks For Me Wont Fix
    2008-09-14 boud Attached File- Added 080915_translated_full_mode-0.2.2.patch, #16487
    2008-09-14 boud Attached File#16486 Removed
    2008-09-14 boud Attached File- Added 080915_translated_full_mode-0.2.2.patch, #16486
        Summarytranslated_full_mode-0.2.1 [vs 080811-1] - usability bug translated_full_mode-0.2.2 [vs 080831-1] - usability bug
    2008-09-07 boud Attached File- Added 080907_translated_full_mode-0.2.1.patch, #16445
        Summarytranslated_full_mode-0.2 [vs 080811-1] - usability bug translated_full_mode-0.2.1 [vs 080811-1] - usability bug
    2008-09-07 boud Attached File- Added 080907_translated_full_mode-0.2.patch, #16444
        Summarytranslated_full_mode-0.1 [vs 080703-2] - usability bug translated_full_mode-0.2 [vs 080811-1] - usability bug
    2008-07-19 boud Attached File- Added 080720_translated_full_mode-0.1.patch, #16161

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