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task #8056: Submission of pov-mode.el

Submitted by:  Marco Pessotto <melmothx>
Submitted on:  Sun 20 Apr 2008 12:35:26 PM UTC  
Should Start On:  Sun 20 Apr 2008 12:00:00 AM UTC Should be Finished on:  Wed 30 Apr 2008 12:00:00 AM UTC
Category:  Project Approval Priority:  5 - Normal
Status:  Cancelled Privacy:  Public
Percent Complete:  0% Assigned to:  Sylvain Beucler <Beuc>
Open/Closed:  Closed Effort:  0.00

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Fri 25 Apr 2008 01:05:38 PM UTC, comment #3: 


I'm Xah Lee and i'm a friend of Marco and currently hosts his emacs povray mode for him on my personal site at xahlee.org.

He asked me to help explain the situation a bit.

His code is just a emacs mode for povray, and is licensed under GPL, and does not include code from any other non-GPL source.

Marco is looking for a more long term place to host his emacs povray mode code so hopefully savannah.gnu.org is a good place. (I know Marco to be a devotee of the Free Software ideals, and i know Richard Stallman has personally exachanged emails with him in consideration of bundling his code in emacs 23)


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Fri 25 Apr 2008 09:49:11 AM UTC, comment #2: 


I think that in your explaining something is wrong. The mode I maintain is free software (under the GPL3). This is a major mode for GNU Emacs, for which I signed a copyright assignment to the FSF. Richard Stallman asked me to do so for inclusion in GNU Emacs and the process is going on.

I'll make an example: kpovmodeller (a modeller for POV-mode) is shipped with every version of KDE and is free software.
If you don't want I upload the tarball with the template files (which license should the the POV-Ray license but the POV team itself is not sure about this because these files can be freely inserted in the file scenes) I won't do so, and I will try something else. (I could rewrite this stuff). But the code itself is free as free speech, even if talks about a "proprietary" program (I consider this "non-free", but not proprietary). Please see the wikipedia page about the POV-Ray license.

However, someone is wrong: or RMS, asking me to track the previous maintainers and contributors of the code, to sign and send the paper, or you, denying me a couple of kilobytes for this project.

So, I'm waiting for a reply.


Marco Pessotto

Marco Pessotto <melmothx>
Thu 24 Apr 2008 08:17:18 PM UTC, comment #1: 


The POV license is proprietary (for example I can't take bits of its code for inclusion in my own project, check http://www.povray.org/source-license.html). Version 4 is planned to come with a better license, but apparently not to be expected soon. It's interesting to note, however, that POV did change its license between version 3.5 and 3.6, but avoiding becoming a free software license on that occasion.

Your package is directly referencing a proprietary software and is enticing people to use it. As such, we cannot accept it at Savannah. We cannot host files under the pov-ray either, because we only host files under free licenses.

Please help make POV free software. When this happens, we'll be happy to host your project at Savannah.


Sylvain Beucler <Beuc>In charge of this item.
Sun 20 Apr 2008 12:35:26 PM UTC, original submission:  

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Registration Details

  • Name: pov-mode.el
  • System Name:  pov-mode
  • Type: non-GNU software & documentation
  • License: GNU General Public License v2 or later (I'd like to upload a separate package with the templates, released under the POV-Ray license. It's not strictly a free license but cannot be considered a proprietary software.)


a GNU Emacs major mode written in elisp for editing POV-Ray scenes. It supports formatting, synthax coloring, rendering from within Emacs, template insertion, keyword look-up, preview.

Other Software Required:

The only dependency to get it work is GNU Emacs. GPL3, http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs

Other Comments:

I don't think that the fact that POV-Ray has it own license can be considered a dependency. It's just another Emacs major mode.
As i wrote above, I'd like to upload a separate package with the templates, released under the POV-Ray license. It's not strictly a free license but cannot be considered proprietary software.
At the moment this project is hosted by a personal site (xahlee.org) and cannot be considered a long-term solution.
I've sent the papers for the copyright assignment to the FSF (but i've not received the confirmation yet).

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Marco Pessotto <melmothx>


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