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task #13045: Do not run /names upon joining by default

Submitted by:  Ioannis A <superuser>
Submitted on:  Fri 17 Jan 2014 06:53:30 PM UTC  
 
Category:  display Should Start On:  Fri 17 Jan 2014 12:00:00 AM UTC
Should be Finished on:  Sun 09 Feb 2014 12:00:00 AM UTC Priority:  5 - Normal
Status:  Done Privacy:  Public
Percent Complete:  100% Assigned to:  Sebastien Helleu <flashcode>
Originator Name:  Open/Closed:  Closed
Planned Release:  0.4.3 IRC nick: 

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Tue 28 Jan 2014 06:09:21 PM UTC, comment #3:

Just for your information, I made another change. Now the 366 is back in default value of options, but names are displayed with 353 (which is not in default value). 366 is now used to display only names count.

Sebastien Helleu <flashcode>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Tue 21 Jan 2014 11:57:46 AM UTC, comment #2:

Since I saw many people asking for this feature (on #weechat), I finally decided to change the default value ("366" removed from default value of option irc.look.display_join_message).

Sebastien Helleu <flashcode>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Fri 17 Jan 2014 07:10:49 PM UTC, comment #1:

Hi,

First you are wrong on one point: WeeChat does not send any "NAMES" when joining a channel. The 366 message is always sent by the server when you join a channel (to be sure, look at raw messages with /server raw).

That being said, the philosophy of WeeChat is to display by default all messages from server, and not hide anything to the user.

For the 366, this can be discussed, but I think default to show nicks is better, even if you have a nicklist. Hiding things to user by default is not a good thing for me.

But the option is there to customize the behavior, and remove the 366 if you don't like it.

Sebastien Helleu <flashcode>
Project AdministratorIn charge of this item.
Fri 17 Jan 2014 06:53:30 PM UTC, original submission:

The default value of irc.look.display_join_message which handles what happens when you join a channel, is "329,332,333,366". Now, beyond the rather ugly (presumably RFC-based) values for this variable, 366 is the element discussed here.

366 basically executes /names every time you join a channel (including when you open WeeChat).

Now, apart from the fact this spams users' chat logs, it is not actually that useful. WeeChat by default has a nicklist on the right-hand side of the screen, rendering /names irrelevant. I presume 366 was made a default before the nicklist bar was put in place.

Furthermore, the output is not very friendly, especially on large channels; it is much easier to read nicknames from a nicklist separated by new lines as opposed to an endless stream of names separated by mere spaces.

Therefore, I propose changing the default value of this to not display a list of nicknames by omitting the 366 element from the list of values.

I'm submitting this because for me personally, WeeChat's success is due to its sane defaults. Without them, I would never have tried an ncurses IRC client, and I am glad WeeChat is around to show me the best way to UX. This is a simple configuration change that could go a long way towards improving the little things about WeeChat's UX.

Ioannis A <superuser>

 

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